September Bulletin

There is no Bulletin this month so here are two from years gone by to click on and download. In 1975 we had been to Stratford as well and the topics discussed are much as today. In 1985 the style had changed.

BULLETIN 260 SEPTEMBER 1975

BULLETIN 342 SEPTEMBER 1985

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Nick Simpson has sent five photos from the late 1960s…your comments invited.

This is the Clinkard 4.3 single seater special with Clink at the wheel. The car was still supercharged at this stage. I believe the blower has now been removed and it has conventional SU carburation. It would be interesting to know more of the parts used for its construction. The front suspension bottom arms are standard prewar Alvis with coil spring supports added.
This is the Clinkard 4.3 single seater special with Clink at the wheel. The car was still supercharged at this stage. I believe the blower has now been removed and it has conventional SU carburation. It would be interesting to know more of the parts used for its construction. The front suspension bottom arms are standard prewar Alvis with coil spring supports added.
This was a 4.3 special seen a number of times in the 1960's sprint events. I seem to remember it was driven by Rhodes and Collis? Pretty crude special with a crude 'cut-and-shut' chassis and hastily constructed body. Does anyone know what the original car was? The bonnet is from a saloon. I could not find ACR164 in any of the registers.
This was a 4.3 special seen a number of times in the 1960’s sprint events. I seem to remember it was driven by Rhodes and Collis? Pretty crude special with a crude ‘cut-and-shut’ chassis and hastily constructed body. Does anyone know what the original car was? The bonnet is from a saloon. I could not find ACR164 in any of the registers. See comment below from DC…..
A 12/50 taken at a Vintage Silverstone meeting. The body looks so new it is probably one of the first Wilkinson replica bodies.
A 12/50 taken at a Vintage Silverstone meeting. The body looks so new it is probably one of the first Wilkinson replica bodies.
This is/was the Works Front Wheel Drive taken at a display at Coombe Abbey, near Coventry. Car is carrying the Works General Trade plates. This car was restored by the Works apprentices in the 1960's.
This is/was the Works Front Wheel Drive taken at a display at Coombe Abbey, near Coventry. Car is carrying the Works General Trade plates. This car was restored by the Works apprentices in the 1960’s.
This is Midland Alvis Day, possibly 1968. XG9405 is a Speed Twenty with Lancefield coachwork. Maybe an SB, at the time it belonged to Olaf Lund who was the proprietor of Tillingham Street Garage in Birmingham. They were Alvis specialists. It was bought by an Austrian. The special behind was a beautifully finished Speed 25 of the late Bill Symons.
This is Midland Alvis Day, possibly 1968. XG9405 is a Speed Twenty with Lancefield coachwork. Maybe an SB, at the time it belonged to Olaf Lund who was the proprietor of Tillingham Street Garage in Birmingham. They were Alvis specialists. It was bought by an Austrian. The special behind was a beautifully finished Speed 25 of the late Bill Symons.

International Alvis Weekend photos

SHP 642 celebrating 60 years at the 60th Alvis day
SHP 642 celebrating 60 years at the 60th Alvis day

The forecast weather only dampened the driving test competitors on Sunday but the whole weekend was otherwise enjoyed in glorious summer weather. There must have been hundreds of photos taken and so final entries into the Photo Competition are now invited. More photos can be found on

www.dropbox.com/sh/09ooerxmzfr6blp/AABLRVH4gvQeB4H-LTfNqGk1a?dl=0 taken by David Ryder from Australia.

The fabulous newly restored Bertelli bodied 4.3 - see the Speed Models page was period photos.

The fabulous newly restored 4.3 Bertelli

One of the many beautifully restored Tickford bodied 3-litres attending the weekend.
One of the many beautifully restored Tickford bodied 3-litres attending the weekend.
The Rich Goodwin airshow. Will the lady send in her photo as it must be better than this one?
The Rich Goodwin airshow. Will the lady send in her photo as it must be better than this one?
SHP in the dining room for the Gala dinner for her 60th birthday at the 60th Alvis Day. SHP was at the first Alvis Day in 1956 when the company's demonstrator.
SHP in the dining room for the Gala dinner for her 60th birthday at the 60th Alvis Day. SHP was at the first Alvis Day in 1956 when the company’s demonstrator.
25858 TC21/100 Graber and 6071 10/30 BO 2481 at Heston 3-85-1
25858 TC21/100 Graber and 6071 10/30 BO 2481 at Heston 3-85-1

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Provenance

A couple of recent questions about Alvis cars for sale remind us that careful enquiries about provenance are often readily answered by Model Secretaries and the published Model Registers.

The Registers record the original coachbuilder and configuration. As long as you have reliable numbers to work on you can verify if a tourer or drophead was originally a saloon. A devious seller may provide documentation to support originality, or even alter numbers. The fact that Alvis themselves also altered numbers adds to the doubts that might surround a particular car. The advice is therefore to do your research before you buy, especially if originality is what you seek.

 

 

build sheetThe copy build sheet shows someone added the words Tourer. Suspicion was aroused because of the different type face. The Register shows the car was a saloon.

Photos have been added to the Speed Models page to record the current bodies on two original saloons, 14626 and 13687.

Meanwhile as an update of these desirable Cross & Ellis tourers, one of the four Edinburgh Police cars (BSC 307-310) has now been imported to the UK by Richard Proctor from an Australian restoration and reunited with its BSC 310 identity.

The vintage and post vintage cars are often restored with new bodies – here is one recent example….

Fellow alumni Dave Culshaw (1961) writies of the car: This is a TJ model chassis 9226, car 14101 first delivered as a Cross and Ellis saloon on 11th December 1931 to a Brighton customer and registered there as UF 8638. A good history from new of this car and nice to see it preserved in a style similar to a 12/60 Beetleback.
Fellow alumni Dave Culshaw (1961) writes of the car: This is a TJ model chassis 9226, car 14101 first delivered as a Cross and Ellis saloon on 11th December 1931 to a Brighton customer and registered there as UF 8638. A good history from new of this car and nice to see it preserved in a style similar to a 12/60 Beetleback.

The later cars are also subject to alteration or decapitation. For those needing to know how the original hoods should look here are the Park Ward archive pictures of their construction.TD21 hood bare TD21 hood trimmed TD21 hood final

More entries have been added to the Photo Competition page and more are welcome. A few new photos have been included on other pages.

 

Period dress

Models from the 1950s
Models from the 1950s

Who is the young lady wearing the latest in fashion – a dress with the AOC motif? Dave Culshaw writes “I am discounting Janet Davey from the photo, as Norman did not join until April 1962. However there are three possibilities, given the probable link with Heston 1956/7  Firstly the brothers Birks … members 13 and 718 respectively ( there was something about the latter in a Bulletin not all that long ago from an antipodean source). Then… John Brownbridge ( Member 55) had a daughter. The third possibility is Albert Armitt ( member 824)  A year or two back his daughter rang me in order to discover if his former Alvis  ( 21536 /JP6741 ) still existed. And yes, I located the car which was then in the Goole area. Of the three, I’d guess at JB, given his known outgoing nature, and flair for promotion.”

Further research show the car and girl in the 1959 Alvis Day film….here is a clip….

Have you visited the Fourteen website lately – http://www.alvisfourteen.wordpress.com – there have been some new posts and photos added.

Three litre surgery and other news

This week sees the culmination of amazing work going on in both the UK and Switzerland recording and displaying our motoring history. The Swiss Car Register officially opens its new Archive Building in Safenwil on Friday and Coventry Transport Museum opens its new £9.5m extension on Saturday.

SCR Ssafenwil

On Sunday 21st June Ken and Sheila Day celebrate their 70th Wedding Anniversary. We send our congratulations and best wishes for an enjoyable day with their family and friends. Ken is President Emeritus of the Alvis Owner Club and member number 199.

The Alvis driving season is well under way and we welcome more entries to the Photo Competition. An account of the Graber Treffen 2015 is on the Swiss Tours page.

Peter Aeschlimann has sent photos of his 1955 Graber TC21/100 Special coupe which he is restoring in Switzerland. It first belonged to a surgeon who experienced overheating problems with the car. His solution seems quite radical – has anyone seen anything similar?

 

 

Autonumerology

When you spot an Alvis, you may want to know more about it, especially if it for sale. Where has it been for the last 60 years? Is it genuine, original and “matching numbers”? What do matching numbers actually mean?

Alvis numbered their cars when they were built. The unique identifier is the chassis number. Alvis never built complete cars, the chassis went to a coachbuilder to be completed so there is also a body number. Engines were also numbered.

letter on engine numbering Lee 1970
An extract from a letter of 1970 confirming the practice of renumbering reconditioned engines.

To confuse matters further there was also a Car Number on pre war models which was different from the chassis and engine numbers. To find out any of these numbers you need to lift the bonnet.

The next most important number is the registration. Most Alvis were registered new in the UK but many were exported. Alvis car production ceased in 1967 and the UK registration system in place up until then makes it possible to detect both where the car was registered and when. After 1963 a suffix letter indicated the year of registration so B, C, D, E and F are common suffixes on TE and TF21s indicating registration in 1964, 1965, 1966 and 1967. Prior to 1964 you need a Glass’s Guide to find the date. You can also download www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf which summarises what you need.

Personal number plates were prevalent when Alvis were new so an Alvis may have had several registration numbers in its life because of number retention. It may also have been exported and imported. This is where the AOC Model Registers (for a list click AOC Model Registers) can be very useful as they record owners and numbers that have been notified to the Club. Together with the archive of the Alvis Company it is usually possible to build a history file of a particular Alvis. So, as archivists we can help provide any owner, or prospective owner, with a history of an Alvis. That’s what we do. We can also help reclaim an original registration number that has been lost.

If you have any questions about numbers or have spotted an Alvis, please leave a comment below. All comments are moderated. You can also notify the purchase or sale of an Alvis by leaving a comment.

Alvis in Museums

The trustees met in October at Brooklands and Gaydon (see the Trustees meet page), visited the Herbert in Coventry and a couple of former officials of the AOC who have donated some archive material. This prompted us to revisit the list of museums with Alvis material which was compiled some time ago and to update the list of Alvis vehicles that are on public show.

14400 Speed 25 SB Charlesworth Dhc 1937 EGJ 186 in Beaulieu
14400 Speed 25 SB Charlesworth Dhc 1937 EGJ 186 in Beaulieu
11155 Speed 20 SB ex Clover at Haynes - photo Judy Willmott
11155 Speed 20 SB ex Clover at Haynes – photo Judy Willmott
26360 1960 TD21 Dhc at Haynes -photo Judy Willmott
26360 1960 TD21 Dhc at Haynes -photo Judy Willmott

There are exciting changes at both the Coventry Transport Museum and Gaydon which both have Alvis exhibits and expansion plans currently underway.

News of the loss of two former AOC General Secretaries this year is recorded on the Alvis People page.

Another article is published on the PPS by Dave Culshaw page with musical connections.

The AOC is exhibiting again at the NEC Classic Car Show (Friday 14th November for three days) with a Speed Models theme put together by Steve Horne using some of the material from the archives.

S0363046 Clinkard BrooklandsOne of the Brooklands exhibits

One of the Brooklands exhibits